tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post1181114513959573421..comments2024-01-03T19:13:37.165+10:30Comments on Secret Wars on Infinite Earths: The Comic Book Fight Club: Mike Haseloffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-43314542392095346192008-07-04T00:55:00.000+09:302008-07-04T00:55:00.000+09:30If I didn't let people post comments, how would th...If I didn't let people post comments, how would they know when they were wrong?<BR/><BR/><I>You're welcome!</I>Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-56896280631950259322008-07-04T00:47:00.000+09:302008-07-04T00:47:00.000+09:30Prime example of "mirror climbing". Sonya's charac...Prime example of "mirror climbing". Sonya's character was never deep: she hates her foes and is loyal to her friends, period. She has shown impulsive behaviour and she has NOT shown relevant tactical skills: why don't you read this the easy way? There is not much else to read into, that would be just assumption. She had time to show such skills and never did: maybe she doesn't have them at all? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-82332270349690890282008-07-01T13:30:00.000+09:302008-07-01T13:30:00.000+09:30@anynonymous: One would argue that's a prime examp...<B>@anynonymous:</B> One would argue that's a prime example of MK's especially wooden characterization. By design that gets the broad concept across, more than actually exploring the nature of the characters.<BR/><BR/>There are plenty of counterpoints to the exclusivity of emotion and tactical training/reasoning, also. Even <A HREF="http://secretearths.blogspot.com/search/label/Batman" REL="Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-5043002209253443052008-06-30T19:27:00.000+09:302008-06-30T19:27:00.000+09:30Bah, Sonya has clearly shown hints of impulsive be...Bah, Sonya has clearly shown hints of impulsive behaviour (particularly in her "Get Kano" mode) and a tendency to rush into things, ergo she is not a tactician.<BR/>Hot-head and tactician don't mix, IMO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-26349758421335031742008-06-29T00:28:00.000+09:302008-06-29T00:28:00.000+09:30@buzzlefett: That's why we typically use a standar...<B>@buzzlefett:</B> That's why we typically use a standardized distillation of characters when discussing them, rather than making efforts to factor in exceptions to the rule, or try to guess what <I>Judd Winick</I> or <I>Ruben Diaz</I> might like to write.<BR/>Not that external influences or processes are entirely ignored! Sometimes they're important parts of the discussion!<BR/><BR/>Ultimately,Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-3783013190060096852008-06-28T22:40:00.000+09:302008-06-28T22:40:00.000+09:30My point was, Mike, that we are discussing fiction...My point was, Mike, that we are discussing fictional characters in a fictional, what-if scenario. There really is no right or wrong answer on who would win because you have no way of proving it. Yes, you could have a better grounded argument with better research but there are no actual results and thus no actual proof.<BR/><BR/>And you can't always use the excuse that the writers may have this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-91663911620753060372008-06-28T13:18:00.000+09:302008-06-28T13:18:00.000+09:30@buzzlefett: Disagree often? Oh, no. You're defini...<B>@buzzlefett:</B> Disagree often? Oh, no. You're definitely wrong a lot!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually, jokes aside, the 'opinion shield' tends to be part of the reverse-troll phenomenon. It's bullshit.<BR/>Opinions can be smarter, better grounded, better referenced, or just plain CORRECT. *gasp*<BR/><BR/>I encourage any and all Infinite Wars readers to pit their best opinions against each in other a Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-25393348663935038282008-06-28T02:58:00.000+09:302008-06-28T02:58:00.000+09:30Wow...the most comments I've ever seen on one of y...Wow...the most comments I've ever seen on one of your posts...<BR/><BR/>I don't mean to seem selfish but do these fantasy fights between MK and DC count toward the fantasy league? I'm only wondering because giving Black Canary a loss would definitely hurt my team and it seems that since it was not an actual fight (i.e. not official storyline for either DC or MK...yet) that it probably shouldn't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-74451203290680758412008-06-27T06:15:00.000+09:302008-06-27T06:15:00.000+09:30"Whether Kano was healed or not, Sonya did not Kil...<I>"Whether Kano was healed or not, Sonya did not Kill him. Their fight was close, he had her defeated and on her knees before she got the last blow in, so it hardly the worlds best victory for her. Im inclined to agree with the 'mediocre' assessment given earlier.<BR/>Being honest, Sonya hasnt done much for the story other than be a tag-on 'hero'. And most of the men are stronger than all the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-43672482096764270122008-06-25T22:05:00.000+09:302008-06-25T22:05:00.000+09:30@anonymous: At the risk of repeating myself in an ...<B>@anonymous:</B> At the risk of repeating myself in an elaborate fashion -- the Infinite Wars ratings are an original measure used to reflect the nature of each character's abilities. These are not emotional rankings, as much as they are references to a character's standardized status in each field.<BR/><BR/>Sonya's command of an arsenal of Special Forces weaponry is quite literally reflected Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-87367897135966375612008-06-25T21:44:00.000+09:302008-06-25T21:44:00.000+09:30Mike, first of all I feel you take yourself way to...Mike, first of all I feel you take yourself way too seriously: it is just a game, after all, and I suppose you are doing it for fun. So leave accusations about "credibility" behind. I agree with the original poster: you just describe Sonya as more powerful than she is. You vastly overrate her status as a Special Forces agent: her use of weaponry, for example, may be a valuable skill, but doesn't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-23913489976535371792008-06-25T13:38:00.000+09:302008-06-25T13:38:00.000+09:30Sonya's importance in the MK story doesn't really ...Sonya's importance in the MK story doesn't really provide a lot of evidence for the nature of her character. Which, contrary to in-game concessions, clearly includes extensive Special Forces involvement.<BR/><BR/>Lots of food for thought there for anyone interested, but I think we can still safely say Sonya hasn't been undermined, and Black Canary's green hasn't been painted over by a brief stintMike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-78216548145257835112008-06-25T12:09:00.000+09:302008-06-25T12:09:00.000+09:30Whether Kano was healed or not, Sonya did not Kill...Whether Kano was healed or not, Sonya did not Kill him. Their fight was close, he had her defeated and on her knees before she got the last blow in, so it hardly the worlds best victory for her. Im inclined to agree with the 'mediocre' assessment given earlier.<BR/>Being honest, Sonya hasnt done much for the story other than be a tag-on 'hero'. And most of the men are stronger than all the femlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-36447277382499316942008-06-25T03:40:00.000+09:302008-06-25T03:40:00.000+09:30Hey Mike, this is Leo from MKO. I've read through ...Hey Mike, this is Leo from MKO. I've read through most of the match-ups you've come up with so far ever since I found the link in some kind of a Johnny Cage thread a while ago. I'll PM you a better description of my personal feelings, though.<BR/><BR/>What inclined me to leave a comment in this particular round is (you guessed it) the Sonya/Black Canary match-up. Unfortunately, I know nearly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-59073566930483404212008-06-23T06:35:00.000+09:302008-06-23T06:35:00.000+09:30@buzzlefett: Yo!Because the landscape of comics ch...<B>@buzzlefett:</B> Yo!<BR/><BR/>Because the landscape of comics characters and their abilities are constantly changing, the Infinite Wars ratings tend to favour standardized interpretation.<BR/><BR/>It's undeniable that <A HREF="http://secretearths.blogspot.com/search/label/Black%20Canary" REL="nofollow">Black Canary</A>'s status within the DC Universe has been dramatically increased, but she's Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-21776568785396402382008-06-23T06:13:00.000+09:302008-06-23T06:13:00.000+09:30I have to agree with the anonymous writers on this...I have to agree with the anonymous writers on this one Mike. It was my understanding that Black Canary, as current leader of the JLA, has been given quite a large increase in her fighting capabilities. I believe that in a recent issue, Batman even proclaimed her to be one of the best martial artists in the universe. She is very proficient with melee weapons herself and let us not forget she Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-38559584629167949402008-06-23T06:02:00.000+09:302008-06-23T06:02:00.000+09:30@anonymous: Just to reiterate, exclusively referen...<STRONG>@anonymous:</STRONG> Just to reiterate, exclusively referencing in-game characteristics is not the name of the game. It would be absurd to suggest a Special Forces agent isn't trained (and fully expected) to utilize the range of weaponry seen in <I>MK: Special Forces</I>, the dangerously unpopular game Sonya was narrowly omitted from.<BR/><BR/>Questioning the merit of what's described on Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-31319593916810291822008-06-22T23:03:00.000+09:302008-06-22T23:03:00.000+09:30I like Sonya fine, sure there are others I prefer ...I like Sonya fine, sure there are others I prefer over her, but theres lots I dislike more.<BR/><BR/>Its seems that a love for Sonya though is something thats clouding the mind for the person who wrote this (I dont know who exactly that is).<BR/><BR/>Sonya may be in the military but she is far from disciplined. She has always used the MK storyline to go off and deal with her own petty vendettas, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-79183500102082368392008-06-22T09:40:00.000+09:302008-06-22T09:40:00.000+09:30@anonymous: I take it we aren't a Sonya fan, then....<B>@anonymous:</B> I take it we aren't a Sonya fan, then. The simple answer here seems to be a disconnect in logic, but since you took the time to elaborate, I'm inclined to do the same:<BR/><BR/>The Infinite Wars use a carefully devised system for rating the abilities of characters, rather than borrowing existing systems that typically downplay certain human strengths.<BR/><BR/>As the rating Mike Haseloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245812535350962900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18856022.post-55046303922674935002008-06-22T00:42:00.000+09:302008-06-22T00:42:00.000+09:30Sonya over Black Canary? I dont think so (And this...Sonya over Black Canary? I dont think so (And this is coming from an MK Fanboy).<BR/><BR/>Sonya is clearly the weakest of the Earth heroes, she was only ever included so that the creators did not look sexist, and has had no major wins throughout the game, except a mediocre win over Kano years ago, and even then, he srvived. <BR/><BR/>Theres really nothing to justify Sonya having the level of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com